Coronavirus Death Toll.

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As sad as it is, what would your opinion be if, let’s say 1.5M people die officially from coronavirus worldwide but a study or leaked documents reveal that out of 1.5M only 100,000 people died as a direct result from the coronavirus?
 

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As sad as it is, what would your opinion be if, let’s say 1.5M people die officially from coronavirus worldwide but a study or leaked documents reveal that out of 1.5M only 100,000 people died as a direct result from the coronavirus?

Most of those people that died "because" of Covid-19, had base illness, so it's really hard to determinate, some of those diseases were triggered by COVID-19, i can't say because i don't have much knowledge about it.. but i'm pretty sure the numbers could be much more higher than that.
 

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Most of those people that died "because" of Covid-19, had base illness, so it's really hard to determinate, some of those diseases were triggered by COVID-19, i can't say because i don't have much knowledge about it.. but i'm pretty sure the numbers could be much more higher than that.
What would your opinion on coronavirus be if say out of the then 165,000 deaths, only 11,000 died solely by coronavirus?
 

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What would your opinion on coronavirus be if say out of the then 165,000 deaths, only 11,000 died solely by coronavirus?

It might be. I can't say, the illness is a mutation of the original Coronavirus.. that's why its name is COVID-19.

The numbers are not that scary though, according to the "official" numbers.. it has a worldwide 4% death rate.
 

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It might be. I can't say, the illness is a mutation of the original Coronavirus.. that's why its name is COVID-19.

The numbers are not that scary though, according to the "official" numbers.. it has a worldwide 4% death rate.
The coronavirus is probably called COVID-19 for other reasons.
 

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And what those reasons might be? I haven't deeply thought about it to be honest, been focused in work and surviving.
With the exception of the Spanish Flu, all other diseases are named after where they originated from.
  • MARS = Middle East respiratory syndrome - Also known as “camel flu,” MERS was first reported in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and all cases are linked to those who traveled to the Middle Eastern peninsula.
  • Japanese encephalitis - Named after its first case in Japan in 1871.
  • German measles - Named after the German doctors who first described it in the 18th century. The disease is also sometimes referred to as “Rubella.”
  • West Nile Virus - Named after the West Nile District of Uganda discovered in 1937.
  • Guinea Worm - Named by European explorers for the Guinea coast of West Africa in the 1600s.
  • Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever - Named after the mountain range spreading across western North America first recognized first in 1896 in Idaho.
  • Lyme Disease - Named after a large outbreak of the disease occurred in Lyme and Old Lyme, Connecticut in the 1970s.
  • Ross River Fever - Named after a mosquito found to cause the disease in the Ross River of Queensland, Australia by the 1960s. The first major outbreak occurred in 1928.
  • Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever - Named after its 1940s discovery in Omsk, Russia.
  • Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever - Named in 1976 for the Ebola River in Zaire located in central Africa.
  • Valley Fever - Valley Fever earned its nickname from a 1930s outbreak San Joaquin Valley of California, though its first case came from Argentina.
  • Marburg Virus Disease - Named after Marburg, Germany in 1967.
  • Norovirus - Named after Norwalk, Ohio after an outbreak in 1968.
  • Zika Fever - First discovered in 1947 and named after the Zika Forest in Uganda.
  • Lassa Fever - Named after the being found in Lassa, Nigeria in 1969.
  • Legionnaire’s Disease - Named in 1976 following an outbreak of people contracting the lung infection after attending an American Legion convention in Philadelphia.

So with all that listed above, COVID-19 should not be referred to as COVID-19. COVID-19 first appeared in Wuhan, so...
 

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Oh, i thought about something medical rather than nominal, but anyway, this whole thing has become more and more political and things are getting heat just like the days of the cold war, don't be surprised if something like the Soviet Union emerges :p
 

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I don't think this will ever happen. It's come to my attention that the Corona Virus is what it really is. Very doubtful the numbers are wrong. Besides if they died it's impossible to fake because the family members of the victim would know.
 

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Having just recovered from Covid-19, it's an odd one. For me, it was a bit of an unpleasant fever. Worse than my average yearly cold/down spell, but nothing more painful per say, just irritating. It is really odd how much it can flip other's though: I have relatives who caught if from me and suffered difficulty breathing etc. and then there's obviously people who end up hospitalised and others fighting for their lives in ICUs. What exactly causes such extreme variations is very interesting: with MERS we saw all people roughly contracting a similar illness. As with the more mild SARS outbreak.

I don't think the stats are perfect, and as highlighted a lot of these people dying are already ill/clinically vulnerable so if the Covid worsened their existing condition, or they died directly of Coronavirus, I don't think we'll ever really know. At least not for a good few years.

I look forward to the studies and research piled into this afterwards, and the scrutiny the whole pandemic will come under. Could we have stopped it sooner? Were our approaches the best? How does the disease actually work? It'll be an interesting time
 

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Having just recovered from Covid-19, it's an odd one. For me, it was a bit of an unpleasant fever. Worse than my average yearly cold/down spell, but nothing more painful per say, just irritating. It is really odd how much it can flip other's though: I have relatives who caught if from me and suffered difficulty breathing etc. and then there's obviously people who end up hospitalised and others fighting for their lives in ICUs. What exactly causes such extreme variations is very interesting: with MERS we saw all people roughly contracting a similar illness. As with the more mild SARS outbreak.

I don't think the stats are perfect, and as highlighted a lot of these people dying are already ill/clinically vulnerable so if the Covid worsened their existing condition, or they died directly of Coronavirus, I don't think we'll ever really know. At least not for a good few years.

I look forward to the studies and research piled into this afterwards, and the scrutiny the whole pandemic will come under. Could we have stopped it sooner? Were our approaches the best? How does the disease actually work? It'll be an interesting time

Interesting, having an opinion of someone that went through it answers a few questions but opens newer ones.. because with other pandemic viruses like measles there isn't anyone that got it and didn't have skin rashes for example, now the 3rd wave has mutated and they say it's deadlier..
 

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That's kinda truth, how can you tell they died of COVID but not other illnesses if they don't even know how to control it? i think they count major diseases like Cancer, Natural Causes (old) and MAYBE pneumonia apart from COVID.. even with that, the Death toll is pretty low.
 

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In the state where I live in the US, the counts are of those who died "with" the virus not because of the virus. That wording became apparent in early summer of last year because coroners were questioning the numbers that were being produced.

I mean, if you read some of the local newspapers you'll find a guy who died in a motorcycle accident that tested positive for the virus so they included him in the death count. Does that make sense? Not to me.
 

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